Welcome to the Eliminate Credit Score

 
 

 9140 Ward Parkway, Suite 110  Kansas City, Missouri  64114        

Home Feedback Contact E-mail addresses of Senator and House representative   E-mail to anyone you know Add our site to your site
 
 

 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac please stop using unreliable credit scores for qualifying loans

 

If you want the economy to move forward

 
 

How can you help?

You can help us by e-mailing

the link of this site to your:

  Acquaintances

Senators

House representatives

   Feedback
 

Why did I write this site?

After reviewing over thousands of credit reports and credit scores of my clients for 16 years, I want to make everyone aware that the credit score is a very deceptive and  unreliable tool to use for loan qualifications. Credit report itself is a very good source for check mortgage, installment, student, personal, revolving loan payment history.

In this site I want to tell Fannie Mare that credit score should not be used to determine the interest rate for mortgage.

I have seen many borrowers with 650 0r 660 credit scores who have never missed their payments in many years. These borrowers should not pay high interest rates for their loans because the computer programmers who wrote programs for the credit bureaus did not consider all other factors.

 

Using credit scores has already damaged our economy and housing market and will continue if it isn't stopped

Join me to ask every bank, mortgage company, insurance company, and employer to stop using inaccurately calculated credit scores to qualify consumers for installment loans, mortgages loans, insurance, and employment.

let us together ask congress to set some guidelines for the three Credit Bureaus who are preparing our credit reports. Now, credit bureau companies who are making billions of dollars from this industry are not doing their jobs adequately!  All they are doing is collecting information from their clients and adding those to our reports without checking the accuracy of the information. If it turns out that the content of the reported information was not accurate then it will lower our credit scores. Therefore, low credit score will result in:

   
 Paying tens of thousands of dollars extra interest
 Our credit application may be declined
 Paying higher insurance premium for home owner or car insurance
 Our application for employment or renting apartment may be declined
   

For details on the following list, click on your choice.

   

Why credit scores are not reliable?

 
 

Programs calculating credit scores are off base.

Low rate is not available for borrowers who have a good credit. It is just for a few who have a 740 score.

You are not always in control of your credit scores. There are many reasons your credit score drops:

 
   Your payments may get lost in the mail
 Unauthorized charge to your account
 Doctors' offices or hospitals make mistakes in filling claims or data entry
 Credit card company reduces your credit limit

Credit Bureaus are making billions of dollars by causing panic!

Congress needs to set up some guidelines for credit bureaus to prevent the sloppy reporting which results in high costs for consumers.

Credit scores of borrowers should not be the tool for evaluating borrowers' qualifications or rates.

   

Fannie Mae is relying on just consumers' credit scores instead of their loan payment histories!

Fannie Mae gives high rates to those who are putting more down payment than those putting less!

Fannie Mae's policy for rate calculation is based on credit scores and loan to value

Why you end up with a higher interest rate than what you hear on the news?

E-mail  friends, senators, and house representatives

To find the E-mail address of your senators and house representatives

Over trillion dollars bail out money was supposed to loosen the credit crunch !

 How the housing market is going get better while Fannie Mae’s policies keep getting worse?
                                                                                                                                                                                   Back to top

Credit scores of borrowers  should not be the tool for evaluating borrowers' qualifications or rates.

I wonder why Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have not stopped using credit scores as the most important tool for loan qualification and rate calculations after losing hundreds of billions of their own money and tax payers' money! Why aren't they looking for the borrowers' loan payments history rather than just fake credit scores knowing that credit scores are not good indicators of how borrowers will make their payments! In the past few years, considering just credit scores for qualifying borrowers for mortgages created financial disaster in home and abroad and affected almost everyone's life:

Some lost their businesses

Many lost their jobs

Most seniors lost their money in their 401K accounts

Some students could not get grants and loans to continue their educations.

                                                                                                                                                         Back to list

 

Low rate is not available for borrowers who have a good credit, it is just for a few who have 740 score!

The low rate that you hear in the news is only available to those who have a credit score of 740 or more. That will be a very small percent of the borrowers and excludes millions of borrowers who have a very good credit, good mortgage and other loan payments history! These borrowers have to pay a hefty price because these credit bureaus who are making billions of dollars from this industry have failed to find  knowledgeable computer programmers to write effective programs for score calculation. I like to say again, Fannie Mae did not lose money because borrowers who borrowed money did not have high scores, but because those borrowers who got the loan had high credit scores and not enough income and credit history!                                                                                                         Back to list

 Fannie Mae is relying on just consumers' credit scores instead of their loan payment histories!

Once again all the variables on the credit reports such as: mortgage payment history, car loan payment history, student loan payments history, employment history, rental history are ignored in determining interest rate and the focus is mostly on the credit score. Please read this scenario and judge for yourself whether Fannie Mae's decision to use primarily credit score makes sense or not.

Borrower A with 740 credit score, no mortgage or car payments, no student loan payment history gets 1% to 1.5% better rate than the borrower B with 679 credit score, 10 years mortgage and car payments, student loan and credit card payments history. The reason borrower B's credit score is lower is because there was a $50 medical collection which although it was already paid but it is still showing on the credit report! In this kind of situation there could have been poor communication between the doctor's office and the insurance company which in turn delayed the receipt of the medical bill payment by the doctor's office for over ninety days! By that time the doctor's office had already reported the account as a past due to the collection agency.

Do you think Fannie Mae is fair to borrower B?
 If you, your parent, or your children were like borrower B, how would you feel?

Those of you who have 740 or higher credit scores should also know that your credit score could be dropped to700 or even less just by having $20 collection past due account on your report! This is how unknowingly you could inherit that $20 collection past due account.

If a clerk in your doctor's office has typed your street address wrong (i.e. you are living at west 76 street but it was typed 67) therefore, you are not going to receive the bill for the $20 balance that you owe. So, this account will go to the collection. Since the amount is too small and there is not much commission in this account for the collection agency, so instead of contacting you, they will report to the credit bureaus. At this point, your credit score will drop to less than 740! Some consumers do not know  how much a $20 past due will reduce their credit scores..

   
Is that fair that you pay for someone else's mistake?                                            
                                                                                                                                                                     Back to list

Fannie Mae is charging high rates for those who are putting more down payment than those putting less!

 
I would like to know why Fannie Mae assumes that borrowers who are paying 20% to 25% down payment for purchasing home are riskier than the borrowers who are paying 3% or 5% down payment while both borrowers have the same credit scores .
   
 ▪

Isn't it a fact that more down payment will reduce the risk for investors?

 ▪ Shouldn't the borrowers with lower credit risk deserve to get at least the same rates that the borrowers with higher risk get?
 ▪ Isn't it true that borrowers who put 25% of their own money for down payment are going to protect their homes from foreclosures at least as much as borrowers who are putting 3% or 5% down payment?
                                                                                                                                                                 Back to list

Recent Fannie Mae's Policy for rate calculation based on credit scores and loan to value

Borrower A and borrower B both have the same credit scores of 699 and the same incomes. If borrower A puts 24% down payment and borrower B puts 3% to 5% down payment,  borrower A will be charged between .75% to 1% higher rate than borrower B therefore, the following will happen to borrower A.

Borrower A who saved money for down payment will be punished by paying higher interest
Borrower A will not have lower monthly payment although he or she has less loan amount. It is like teachers giving grade of "F" to their students who do their homework correctly!.

Table below is the current fee adjustments that Fannie Mae requires us as loan officers to adjust home buyers’ interest rates based on their credit scores and their down payments. The credit scores adjustment started in the first quarter of 2008 with a small fee and increased every quarter after that.

 

60.01- 70

70.01 -75

75.01-80

80.01-85

85.01-90

90.01-95

95.01-97

Fico 720 739

0.000

0.000

0.250

0.000

0.000

0.000

(0.250)

Fico 700-719

0.500

0.500

0.750

0.500

0.500

0.500

0.250

Fico 680-699

0.500

1.000

1.500

1.000

0.750

.750

0.250

Fico 661-680

1.000

2.000

2.500

2.250

1.750

1.750

1.000

Fico 641-659

1.250

2.500

3.000

2.750

2.250

2.250

1.500

If by continuously changing credit score requirements, Fannie Mae thinks that suddenly they are going to find the magic credit score number that is going to solve their problems, they are incorrect. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lost billions of dollars not because borrowers who obtained loan did not have higher credit scores. They lost because, borrowers who obtained loans had  higher credit scores but not enough incomes. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were more aggressive than the sub prime mortgage companies! Some sub prime mortgage lenders would not allow debt to income ratio exceed 55% but, Fannie Mae used to allow 65% or even more debt to income ratio if borrowers had higher credit scores.                                                                                                                                                         Back to list

 

Why you end up with higher interest rate than what you hear on the news?

Since last year, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have started using car salesman technique! Car dealers normally advertise their cars with low prices, but when you finally buy the car you end up paying more! They tell you that the advertise price is the base price and you need to pay extra for more options which you thought were already included!

Twelve months ago, if borrowers called banks or mortgage companies and asked about interest rates, all that the loan officer had to do was to look at the rate sheet and tell them exactly what their rates would be for purchase or refinance. If borrowers had good credits with scores between 640 to740 and 5% or more down payments their rate would be the same.

Today, it is totally different! For each credit score you get different rate. Your rate also increases or decreases depending on your down payment. You may even get higher interest rate if you put more down payment! ( isn't it confusing?)

  If you are a borrower who has a credit score between 680 and 699 an want to put 20% to 24% down payment to avoid paying mortgage insurance, then either your rate is going to be between .50% to .75% more or you need to pay 1.25 point in order to get the same rate as when you put just 3% down payment. Is it confusing? Yes 
                                                                                                                                                           Back to list

To prevent the inaccurate information from showing up in consumers' credit reports, congress should step in and set some guide lines for the three Credit Bureaus who are preparing the consumers' credit reports. Now, these credit bureaus who are making billions of dollars from this industry are not doing their jobs adequately and are not using a good quality control system to check the accuracy of the information they get from their clients! Their important task is collecting information from their clients and adding those to consumers' reports. If  these creditors or collection agencies who are reporting to the bureaus make an error on their reports,  then consumers will pay a huge price for something that was not even their fault. This is what happens to consumers.

 Consumers pay tens of thousands of dollars extra interest
 Consumers' credit applications may be declined
 Consumers pay higher insurance premiums for home or car insurance
 Consumers' applications for employment or renting apartments may be declined
   

If it was 10 or more years ago and this kind of mistakes were done by a third party, then it wouldn't hurt the consumers as much as it does today. At that time,  consumers could prove that they had no fault by providing documents such as canceled checks or a letter from their creditors or collection agencies saying that the error was from their side. Then, the underwriter could override the credit report, But, today all the loan rates are based on the credit scores. Even in order to qualify for a particular loan program you need to have a certain credit score.

You might think that since this error is done by the credit bureau or their clients ( collection agencies), therefore it can be fixed right away, but it takes months to get it fixed if you spent a lot of your time writing and calling . However,  recently these credit bureaus have come up with a plan. If you pay a huge fee,  then they fix it right away.

As you see this can happen to any one of us! For example, If you have a 740 credit score today, it could be reduced to less than 700  by one wrong trade line. If that happens, then you will start paying high interest rates too! If you want to know how easily your late or past due bill could be reported without your knowledge and without your fault, then read the scenario by clicking here.   

                                                                                                                                                                   Back to list

Why credit scores are not reliable?

   
 

Programs calculating credit scores are off base!

This example will show you how these programs are inaccurately evaluating the consumer's credit scores.  let us assume that Mr. Smith has 15 credit cards with combined credit line of $150,000 and a total balance of $75,000, but the way he splits the $75,000 among15 cards, the balance of none of them reaches 60% of the credit line of each card. By doing that  Mr. Smith has maintained a score above 720.

 Mr. Smith sells his lake house and gets enough cash to pay off all his credit card balances, but he does not close any of his  accounts.

After a while he receives an offer from one of his credit accounts with a $15,000 check attached with a fixed interest rate of 2.99% for life of the loan and $300 transfer fee. The credit limit on this card was $15,000. Mr. Smith accepts the entire $15,000 and he sends it  to his mortgage company that has his primary home mortgage loan. By doing this he tries to save some money since his mortgage interest rate is 6%. In a few months, If Mr. Smith checks his credit score , he will find out a noticeable drop in his credit scores even though his debt has reduced by $60,000. This happens because the program which calculates the credit scores does not take into account the total credit line of his credit cards, but considers only each card's balance with its credit limit. Imagine how many people fall into this trap.

You can not control your credit scores these days ! Can you?  

Your credit score is not like your jewelry or the title of your property that you could put in a safe or hide some where so that no one can access it. Your credit score comes from your financial information that not only is every where in the states, but also all over the world due to out sourcing customer service jobs to overseas!

Whenever I call Chase to obtain information about my account, someone from overseas answers! We have a lot of laws in this country to protect us against fraud, but still we are not 100% safe! Now that some people in overseas have access to our account information, knowing that they may not have the same laws we have here , then how safe really is our information?                                                                                                                                                      Back to list

 

These are some of many reasons your credit score drops

 
   Your payment gets lost  in the mail

 It happens a lot! Some of it happens in the post office due to malfunction of equipment, others happen during mail sorting.  I always get some other people's mail, mostly our neighbors' mail at home or at the office. I normally deliver to them and our neighbors do the same. A few times I even got some people's mails who live in different cities! I normally drop them in the mail box. This especially happens more when the address is a post office box. The clerk always used to put other people's mails in my mail box. If this kind of things happen to mail of your mortgage company that you are sending your mortgage payments to, and your credit card company that you are sending your credit card's payment, then they may not get your payment 100% of the time. Just that one past due payment on your mortgage will drop your score about 50 points and you will not be able to refinance your home at least for another12 months!

Let me share my own real story on this matter. I have a home equity line of credit with Chase with a credit line of $30,000. About two years ago, I had a very small balance with monthly payment of about $30. On the 27th of the month I got a phone call from Chase that they had not received my payment.

I told them I would overnight the payment because I didn't want 30 days to be reported. They suggested that the fastest way was to withdraw from my checking account if I would give them my checking account information. I agreed and I provided all the needed information. I checked every single day until the third of the following month. Chase had not withdrawn the payment from my account. So, I called them and they assured me that everything was OK.

After two months, I got a letter from chase that they had reduced the limit of one of my credit card accounts which I had with chase. Then, when I ran my credit report, I found out that they had reported 30 days past due. When I called, all they said was that they were sorry!. That 30 days past due reduced my credit score.

Now, to those who are working for Chase, sorry won't raise my credit score to where it was before. It took many months for my credit score to go up! Since my report was showing 30 days late pay in my line of credit ,I could not refinance or get a new mortgage if I wanted to move for any reason.                                                                                      Back to list

 

 Unauthorized charges on your account

Whenever you call the customer's service of a department store's credit card to check the balance or if you have an issue, you are not actually talking with the employee of that department store but, you are talking with the employee of another firm that has contract with the department store to answer their customers' issues.                                                                    

These employees are required by their employers to sell some service to you. I think there is nothing wrong with that if you agree but, sometimes if some of these employees do not sell enough to meet their quotas, then in order to keep their jobs for a little longer, they may add some services to your credit card regardless of the fact that you told them you were not interested. Please remember to open and check all the bills which you receive even if you know that you do not have any balance.

This is what happened to me many years ago.  I went to sears to purchase an item around $20. I wanted to charge it to my VISA card but, a very nice lady suggested that if I open an account with Sears, she would take $10 off that price. I did so and I paid as soon as I got the bill. Since I did not purchase any thing else and I was the only authorized user, so whenever I got a bill I did not  open it. But, one day somehow I opened the mail. There was a $72 charge! I called and asked the customer service about the charge. I was told that I had purchased some kind of insurance coverage about two months ago. When I told them I never talked with any one about buying any insurance coverage,  they agreed to remove that transaction.

If I had not opened that mail, then I could have been 90 or 120 days late on that account which would have reduced my credit score to 620 or less.                                                                                                                   

 

Doctors' offices or hospitals make mistakes in filling claims or data entry!

If a clerk in your doctor's office has typed your street address wrong (i.e. you are living at west 76 street but it was typed 67) therefore, you are not going receive the bill for the $20 balance that you owe. So, this account will go to the collection. Since the amount is too small and there is not much commission in this account for the collection agency so, instead of contacting you, they will report to the credit bureaus. At this point, your credit score will drop less than740 . Some consumers do not know how  much a $20 past due will reduce their credit scores.

   Credit card company reduces your credit limit

These days, it is becoming very common for the credit card companies to reduce the limit of consumers' credit cards down to the amount of the balance they owe or even less. When that happens, consumers' credit scores will drop considerably! It is understandable if they reduce the limit when consumers pay late. But, sometimes that is not the case. They do it for unknown reasons! Maybe sometimes themselves are in trouble. But, that should not give them any excuses to ruin consumers' credit.

                                                                                                                                                                  Back to list

Credit Bureaus are making billions of dollars by causing panic!

 

Recently, Equifax which is one of the three bureaus has started a campaign for selling a service which is called Equifax Credit Watch Gold 3-in-1. In this plan they are offering $12.95 pre month for each individual to monitor their credit. Please click here to see their offer and application.

If they manage to cause more panic among consumers, even if they sell to one third of the population, this will be the amount of money they will make in the future!

$12.95 X 12 X100.000,000 = $15,540,000,000 !

                                                              

Over trillion dollars bail out money was supposed to loosen the credit crunch !

 

One of the major lenders decided that as of April 6, 2009, they will not offer loans over 80% for borrowers with credit score of less than 720! The     minimum credit score required by mortgage insurance companies last year, was 620 and gradually increased to 660, 680, 700, and now is 720. This disqualifies many millions of borrowers who want to buy or refinance! Probably more than 75% of the population don't have credit score of 720 or higher. As I understood the trillion dollars bail out was going to loosen the credit crunch but since November 2008 it has gone the opposite way!

Back to list

 

How the housing market is going get better while Fannie Mae’s policies keep getting worse?

 

Some borrowers with excellent payment histories who have 640, 660, 680, 700, and 719 credit scores will not qualify for current Fannie Mae’s loans when they put less than 20% down! If the same borrowers come up with 20% or more down-payment, they will still have to pay a high interest rate!

Some other borrowers with bad credit histories who are willing to pay to credit repair companies to repair their credits and raise their credit scores ( FICO) will qualify for Fannie Mae’s loans with low interest rates!

If you search the words “credit repair” using one of the major search engines, you will find thousands of credit repair companies who are saying that they will remove late payment, collection, judgment, repossession, bankruptcy, and even foreclosure from the individual record and improve the FICO score.  Every company charges different fees and here are the fees for some of them.

 Company Name

 Initial Fee

Monthly Payment

A

B

C

D

E

F

 

$87

$99

$99

69

29

99

 

$37

$49

$39

$49

$29

$59

 

I would like to say to Fannie Mae that borrowers with good payment histories who are not willing to spend their hard earned money for credit repair, should not pay higher interest rates than the other group. Please stop using credit score for qualifying and rate adjustment. Adopt a common sense for underwriting and use:

Mortgage history if applicable

Rent history

Installment loan history

Credit card payment history

Judgment history

Realistic DTI (Debt to Income Ratio) avoiding 65% or 75%

The old policy was wrong and your current policy for rate adjustment and qualification based on credit score is even worse! Borrowers with good credits deserve low rates. At present only borrowers with 720 score can get better rates! That excludes almost 80% of home buyers! Please stop using credit scores which are not accurate and could easily be manipulated!

 
 
 

 

 
   AGFCommercial Loanoan

About the author of this site

                   Back to list
   
 

I have been working in mortgage industry since 1993. I started as a loan originator and I have processed thousands of loans. I read and evaluated every credit report in the file before I submitting to the investors' underwriters. During the process, I have talked to some of the borrowers who had a past due or collection account and I have heard many interesting stories.

From 1984 to 1993, first I was working as an insurance agent for an insurance company and after a few years I became an independent agent. After a while I opened my own small insurance agency. The group or individual health insurance was my primary focus area. I spent considerable amount of time on the phone with doctors' offices, hospitals and insurance companies on the issues that my clients had regarding their medical claims.

I have mortgage loan, credit cards payments, and occasionally medical bill payments like many of you.

                                                                                                                                                                             Back to list    AGF Mortgage

Your comment's will be appreciated! Please share with us your experiences in this matter.

   

Feedback

Name:

Email

Phone: (option)

Best Time to call:

 

 

 Comment:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Loopko .Com

Markets only companies with excellent

 services and products.

    http://www.loopko.com

 
E-mail to friends, senators and house representatives
 

Dear visitors, many of us eventually will be identified as risky borrowers, policy holders, and employees if we have not been yet by unreliable credit scores which will cause us to pay high interest rates for loans and high insurance premiums or to be denied employment.

 A few years ago 660 was a good credit score. The standards have changed. Two years ago a good credit score became 680, first part of last year it changed to 700, last part of last year became 720, now is 740, and it could be changed again at any time.

In the past 5 years, there were some opportunist future oil traders who caused oil prices to go up and hurt our economy considerably! Now, there are these credit bureaus that are making billions of dollars revenue by taking advantage of us by creating inaccurate credit scores.

So, please copy and paste the link below to body of your e-mail and send it to your senators, house representatives and your acquaintances. Also ask your acquaintances to do the same. Please in your own word tell them how important it is to you.

     

                       

http://www.stopcreditscore.com 

 

 
To find the E-mail address for:
 
  Your senators click here
  Your house representatives click here

 

 Feedback,  Submit URL, Directory, Contact, Loopko
Copyright © 2009  AGF Mortgage Inc.